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Interview
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Asia District Superior |
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PART 3 and final |
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7-25-2011
Fr. Daniel Couture
during the banquet for his Priestly Silver Jubilee in 2009 > |
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Speaking of those opportunities that the faithful have to help in
addition to prayer, you have come to the United States with a book
that you are trying to promote, on the story of a Korean woman who
was incarcerated by the Marxist regime. It is a very beautiful
story divided into chapters that are easy to read. How did you
come to know this person and how can the book help your work,
Tradition as a whole, and Catholics here in the United States? |
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Mrs. Rose Hu
tells her story of incarceration as a Catholic under
the Chinese Communist regime |
Fr. Couture: First of all, Mrs. Rose Hu is a Chinese woman who
spent twenty-six years in the concentration camps in China
under Mao Tse-Tung, from 1955 to 1981. She came to the United
States in 1989, and after about ten years going to the New
Mass in her parish, she discovered Tradition. Someone spoke to
her about Communion in the hand, telling her that Communion in
the hand was bad, and thus she discovered the Society of St
Pius X. Now she is a member of the Society’s Third Order. She
made this extraordinary statement, “My twenty-six years in
communist prisons were the best preparation to be a member of
the Society of St. Pius X, the best novitiate for me.” |
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Her book, Joy in Suffering (available from the
Asian District or from
Angelus Press), has been published in English
and we have just finished the second printing. It was printed by
the Society of St. Pius X in Korea. It is now being translated
into French and Spanish, and soon will be in Japanese too. It
relates her story, which is simple, in very beautiful chapters.
When she was arrested, she was twenty-two years old; she had
converted at the age of sixteen. She was arrested because of her
membership in the Legion of Mary. Everything in her life is linked
to the Legion of Mary which, in Mao Tse-Tung’s eyes, was his enemy
number one, the spearhead of the Catholic Church in China. |
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The
Legion of Mary in China is an extraordinary story
[read
more here on the SSPX's Asia District website].
[Arch]Bishop Riberi,
who was the Apostolic Nuncio in 1948, felt the revolution
coming as early as 1947 (Mao took control in 1949). Then the
Nuncio sent for Fr. McGrath, an Irishman, who had already
founded the Legion of Mary in his small Chinese parish with
extraordinary results. The Apostolic Nuncio said to Fr.
McGrath: “Mao will take control very soon. I give you the
order to establish the Legion of Mary all over China, because
Catholics will have to stand firm without priests.” In two
years, he established nearly two thousand praesidia,
and that is what saved the Catholics there and prepared many
to martyrdom. |

Archbishop
Antonio Riberi,
Apostolic Nuncio
to China
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Fr. W. Aedan
McGrathe |
Mrs. Rose Hu was part of the Aurora Girls’ school in Shanghai,
which was where Fr. McGrath started his national campaign. It
was a school for wealthy families, and it succeeded against
all odds. It grew like weeds; it spread by the grace of God.
Many of those young girls who were later tortured stood firm.
The book is her testimony, written under obedience to Fr.
McGrath, her spiritual director then (+2000). It was he who
told her, “You have to put your story down in writing.”
Her book, first written in Chinese, was read on Vatican
Chinese Radio, so it is an important testimony. We have just
translated it into English, and we hope that, a year or two
from now, it will come out in French, Spanish, Japanese and
perhaps in German. |
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Her example is instructive even for us priests, and will likely
promote vocations in this wealthy, materialistic world, because it
is the example of young people who stand firm in a heroic way.
I’ll give you an example taken from the book, one of the many
anecdotes you'll find in it. One time Rose was sick with
pneumonia. She was bedridden for two weeks, but was unable to find
any medicine. Finally, she managed to have someone send her some
by mail. Then, she got better, but as soon as she was back on her
feet, she had to go back to work in the fields. As she was passing
by a building with her friend Therese, they found an egg on the
ground, an ordinary chicken’s egg. For them, an egg was like a
bottle of vitamins—it was a gift from heaven! So Therese took the
egg and said, “Rose, look! The Good God sent you an egg to get
your strength back.” And Rose answered, “But there are
people who are still sick. As for me, I am better now, but there
are other people who are still sick.” “Yes, but you have to
take it, because the Good God wants you to work.” “No, no,
no, I can’t take this egg. We’ll talk about it this evening.”
So, they work all day in the fields, and came back to their
quarters in the evening. They met up with their fellow Catholics,
and Rose said, “No, no, no, I cannot take this egg. There are
people who are still sick.” So they passed on the egg from
person to person, and it went around the whole group of fifteen
people, to finally come back to Rose. Every one said, “There are
others who are feeling worse than I am.” And even though some of
them were dying of hunger, they would say, “No, no, there are
other people who need it more than I do.” There could be found
a heroic spirit of charity and sacrifice in these labor camps. In
the end, they broke the egg, put it in a bowl of water, and made
soup with that one egg; they ended up with a spoonful each. And
when we asked Rose, “What did you do with the eggshell?”
And she answered, “Oh, we ate it, because we could not leave
traces.”
Father, India has always received great help from the United
States. We take advantage of the opportunity to thank our many
benefactors and missionaries who come from the United States. What
can you say today to the young Indian who has just been ordained?
If you had to give him a few words of encouragement or of priestly
advice for the future, what would you tell him? |
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Fr. Theresian Babu Xavier offers
a First Mass at Palayamkotai, India |
Fr.
Couture: What am I going to tell him tomorrow morning
at his first Mass, you mean?
This: we have to live the priest’s ideal that His Excellency
spoke of this morning. That ideal is to live the vocation of
the Society of St. Pius X. As I was saying a moment ago while
speaking about the priests and bishops who turn to us for
help, the Society is entering more and more into a new period,
thanks to Archbishop Lefebvre, who kept not only the Holy
Mass, but also the priesthood that goes with the Mass. |
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Archbishop Lefebvre said, “They are not attacking me
personally, they are attacking Tradition.” In the same way—if
we continue the same analogy—it is not we who, I would say, put
ourselves up on a pedestal in those areas of our missions, but it
is rather what we represent: it is a kind of priesthood that has
practically disappeared. And that is what I am going to tell him.
The priest has to make manifest those treasures that are linked to
the true Catholic priesthood: the Mass, the sacraments, Catholic
sermons. In a book published a few years ago in France about those
who converted to the Faith at St. Nicolas du Chardonnet, our
church in Paris, the author speaks of a university professor who
received the grace of conversion because she was struck by the
fact that before and after each sermon, the priest made the sign
of the Cross. These are details that we do not think much of
because we do it all the time, but, think about it, a university
professor received that grace through these simple signs of the
Cross. We really hold in our hands treasures of grace. I remember
one of our faithful here in Asia, a doctor and a former
Protestant, , who was converted at twenty-five or twenty-six years
old at the moment a priest blessed the crucifix her friend had
just given her.
So, on one hand, I will tell this newly ordained priest tomorrow,
“Always remember what you represent, and that people turn to us
because we have these treasures of grace, these channels of grace:
the sacraments, Catholic doctrine, etc.” And on the other
hand, that alone is not enough. For us, young priests, we must
live our ideal. |
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Priests are not canonized for saying Mass; otherwise all
priests would be canonized. They are canonized for the virtues
they have practiced, for having lived the holy Mass. That is
what other people need to see as well. We young priests in the
Society, we need to unceasingly remind ourselves of that fact.
When he described the ideal virtues of a priest in his
exhortation
Haerent Animo, St. Pius X wanted his
priests to be holy. And I think this is the most beautiful
example we can give, and the most beautiful gift we can give
to the people in those places where we send our priests: to
present to them priests who not only carry treasures in their
hands, the treasures of the Church, but who also live them,
who are convinced of the duty that is theirs to lead a life
worthy of those treasures. |

Pope St. Pius X:
a model for priests |
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Father, do you have perhaps a few words for the faithful, a
message that you would like to send to them in particular, and
perhaps in a more special way to young people?
First of all, thank you to all those who pray for the missions. I
know that people are praying for the missions everywhere, in the
families, in the schools, adults as well as children. Many times I
have been assured that it is so. Every year I receive short notes,
post cards from the Society’s schools, even from children in
primary school, saying, “Here, Father, we have offered our Lenten
sacrifices for the missions.” That moves us. The Archbishop often
used the example of the garden hose. We, priests, missionaries, we
are at the end, and we see the water flowing out. And then I see
these faithful throughout the world praying for the missions, they
are at the faucet. So I want to assure you that the graces you
pray for are getting through at our end. The graces are coming
through. Last Saturday, a week ago, we baptized a Muslim lady in
Singapore. A week before that, we had baptized a Buddhist. There
are adult conversions. We see it. It is mysterious. But grace is
coming through, for sure. Sometimes, it is even simultaneous. I
have many proofs of this. I have seen with my own eyes the power
of prayer, of the communion of Saints. So, a sincere thanks to
all those who pray, who make sacrifices, offer their Communions,
their rosaries, those who remember the missions. |

A statue
of St. Francis Xavier
at his tomb at Panaji
in North Goa, India |
On the other hand, the harvest is overflowing. For those young
people who are looking for adventure, for a life in which they
can be enriched, the missionary life still exists. Pray for
vocations, perhaps for your own vocation. Let the young people
ask themselves, seeing the abundance of the harvest, “Wouldn’t
God perhaps need me too? Why wouldn't He send me too?” As
the prophet said, “Send me, Lord! If you need my help, here
I am. What wilt thou have me do?” It was St. Francis
Xavier, a graduate of the Sorbonne, who wrote around 1544, in
one of the most famous passages of his letters to the Jesuits
in Rome, “I wish I could run through the hallways of the
Sorbonne and shout out to the students, ‘What are you doing?
Think of your eternity. |
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What will you present to the Good God on the day of your death? If
you have the time and the talents, don’t waste that time, those
talents, your whole life, in vain and useless things. Go, work in
the harvest, in order to reap eternal fruits one day'.”
St. Francis Xavier saw what was going on; he was in India at that
time. He would say the same today.
So, thank you, keep courage, and think about your life on earth
and in eternity. Do a retreat if you have doubts, if you are
looking for your state of life. It would be good, perhaps, before
starting in one way of life or another, to put things straight: “What
is the best use I can make of my life, considering the glory of
Heaven and eternity?” At the same time, be assured of our
prayers. In answer to your prayers, you can be assured of ours,
especially that the Good God may plant the seeds of ever more
numerous missionary vocations amongst our youth.
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